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« on: February 01, 2017, 12:16:54 AM »

Hello everyone,

                     I just thought I'd introduce myself.  Apparently, I did this in the wrong forum before and some thought I had a newer generation Equinox.  My name is Michael, and, I have been the proud owner of a 2007 Lunar Quartz Metallic/Dark Amethyst Metallic (same color, just went through a name change) Equinox 1LT with a sunroof for about a year now.  Love the car and have put a lot of miles on it due to my job.  While I've had it, I've been slowly making upgrades and changes to it along the way, and, even got in a small fender bender which I used as an excuse to update and upgrade a few things like the headlamps, and changing the all of the lights to LED, replacing the front bumper due to the cracking near the headlamps.


The projects I'm work on with it are as follows:

I am in the process of have factory remote start done, as well as switching from OnStar FMV to Installed OnStar, which, is not as hard as some might think it is, especially for this vehicle due to the location of the BCM.  The hardest part is getting the antenna foot, cables, and installing them.  Also, the actual process of getting it activated is a little painful since it must be done with either a Tech II, or, an MDI with Tech2Win before it can even work properly.


I'm also planning on purchasing a 2012-2015 Chevy Traverse MyLink headunit (non-navigation) and installing it as well.  The unit I plan on trying is something like this which is an all in one, and, I know very few know it exists, or, do not know that they are not dash integrated and, they only seem to use the BCM to verify vin, and, possibly to tell OnStar that it wants to use it's mic for voice commands and phone:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/311779908418?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Not quite sure how everything will work together, but, I have an idea, and, it will be interesting, and I'll keep everyone posted.


As far as the audio system, I've added a Delco Electronics Monsoon amplifier (the old school, auto power on one last used in Buick park avenue Ultras in 99 and 2000), and, the rear pioneer in wall subwoofer, which, the bass out of that amp is so high, that you have to drill a small hole into the subwoofer's cabinet to allow it to vent.

I get most of my parts and upgrades from the junkyard and ebay.  The car has the 3400 Engine in it and is much better on fuel than I was expecting.  The car currently has over 138000 miles on it, and, I started with only about 85,000.  I love the way it handles the road, and, it's an extremely fun car to drive with a lot of room for everything I need for work, and passengers. 

Anyway, for anyone curious, or, has questions, for me, I will be glad to answer to the best of my ability and will post pictures when I have verified that everything is working correctly, and, may post some instructions on how to do some of the things I have been, and, I know I will have a lot of questions as well.

Anyway, hello all, and thank you for welcoming me to the forum.

Thank you,

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« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2017, 08:27:25 AM »

Welcome and best of luck with your project.
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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2017, 08:02:50 PM »

Welcome and best of luck with your project.

Thank you.  I receive the radio either tomorrow or Saturday (shipping UPS) and plan on taking it in for programming right after that to also activate the OnStar and remote start.  Basically, everything is just in place and waiting.  Cross your fingers...

If everything goes well, I will post pictures....

I also found a dual ported 12" subwoofer box on the side of the road awhile ago and am finally getting the subs for it.  I'm going to wire a switch from the amplifier to switch from the wall sub to the box subs whenever I have them in. Also, going to run off that, ambient lighting switches for solid or bass-flash, oh, and forgot to mention that I'm installing LED purple ambient lighting inside and out, as well as white foot well lighting that comes on with cabin lighting with a relay to alternate lighting when ambient lighting is switched on......

So there is an update...

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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2017, 04:20:19 PM »

Small Update,

                Was advised that the OnStar and MyLink radio will definitely work, it's just going to take more time and money than I have at the moment, but, they can get them working.  The remote start one dealer says will work, the other says won't.  Will have to wait on that.

So yes, you can add OnStar and an older MyLink radio to the generation 1.5 Theta vehicles if you know what you're doing, and, have the money to get them programmed, or, access to a Tech II scan tool or an MDI with Tech2Win.

I'll keep you all posted further.

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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2017, 09:52:40 AM »

Great to find out there is a possibility. thumbs up

What would really be helpful is once you find out doing this all works, is to outline the steps all in one post in how to accomplish this and what year/model/part numbers work and what the sequence of steps to get it working. (ie. buy part # , year of radio, year of vehicle, what programming is necessary, etc)
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« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2017, 06:46:39 PM »

Great to find out there is a possibility. thumbs up

What would really be helpful is once you find out doing this all works, is to outline the steps all in one post in how to accomplish this and what year/model/part numbers work and what the sequence of steps to get it working. (ie. buy part # , year of radio, year of vehicle, what programming is necessary, etc)

Well,

          I'm going to be able to really outline that for you.  After going to 4 dealers, found out that they all lie to you in terms of labor, and what it takes...  So, I went a bit cheaper and for a bit more of a learning experience as I'm studying the instructions...

I went ahead and purchased a really good cloned MDI and am planning on getting just a 2 day subscription (Should only need it for less than that) of GM SPS for $55.00

From what I read and compared to what GM dealers tell you is kind of funny.  First of all, the key reason for the SPS subscription is basically to update RPO codes for your vehicle via the web and to download firmware updates to make those RPOs possible almost in an All-At-Once request from the software.

From what I read, once you get all of your updates and codes ready, no matter how many it is, the updating can take anywhere from less than 5 minutes to just slightly over an hour... and that's it.  SPS is also supposed to virtually eliminate having to call into either the automated system, or a representative to do some of those changes with some exceptions, like, for example, traditional factory added remote start compared to advanced 2-way remote start.  The prior does not require a call, but, the latter does.

OnStar may or may not require a call.  Most likely, with, traditional factory installed, non-upgraded, may not, however, SPS is required to remove an OnStar Module STID from a donor vehicle's VIN, removing it from the current vehicle's VIN, and then adding the STID from the donor module to the current vehicle, then activating.

I found out that the BCM in my vehicle already has the firmware for OnStar, which means, the vehicle may have originally come with it, however, the first owner chose to have it removed.

The MyLink radio requires first to be read by the SPS software, automatically adding it to new RPOs, and then allowing you to unlock it, and do whatever required firmware updates are necessary.

It can also be simply unlocked with a Tech2Scan tool, however, using one of the radio profiles the vehicle came with (since they all almost use the same locking method) to unlock it, however, you have to do a TIS2Web back and fourth to get any firmware updates and to update the RPO codes.


It sounds like the SPS creates a batch of everything needed, then, you let it have at it... sort of like a hard drive partitioning migration program.
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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2017, 07:22:41 PM »

Not surprised that dealers may not give you the true skinny. However, I think what it is mostly is that this is the kind of thing they don't have much call for. They usually just maybe replace a radio with a like radio.

I mean, this is really Guru level stuff you're talking here. So, not really many techs at a dealer are going into it that deep.  And. . . not many Equinox owners would be savvy enough, or willing to sort it all out either.

Kudos to you for getting to the nitty gritty of it.  I suspect you have an interest and mind for puzzling firmware/software/ hardware relationships out.

Some have that interest and ability and others have different interests and aptitudes.  I many times start discussing work I've done in electronics and restoring vintage '70's to '90s equipment and mostly I see eyes that start to glaze over. Mostly people just want things to work for them and don;t care how, why, or what makes things work.

But now, for anyone interested, you have contributed a good outline of your experience.  The next generation of vehicles will have even more twists in swapping things out and making them work.

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« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2017, 02:38:50 AM »

Not surprised that dealers may not give you the true skinny. However, I think what it is mostly is that this is the kind of thing they don't have much call for. They usually just maybe replace a radio with a like radio.

I mean, this is really Guru level stuff you're talking here. So, not really many techs at a dealer are going into it that deep.  And. . . not many Equinox owners would be savvy enough, or willing to sort it all out either.

Kudos to you for getting to the nitty gritty of it.  I suspect you have an interest and mind for puzzling firmware/software/ hardware relationships out.

Some have that interest and ability and others have different interests and aptitudes.  I many times start discussing work I've done in electronics and restoring vintage '70's to '90s equipment and mostly I see eyes that start to glaze over. Mostly people just want things to work for them and don;t care how, why, or what makes things work.

But now, for anyone interested, you have contributed a good outline of your experience.  The next generation of vehicles will have even more twists in swapping things out and making them work.

 Cheers

I fully understand the glazing over a bit.  The older GMLAN GEN2 vehicles are all perfectly capable of being updated in many, many ways, you just have to know the right hardware to update them with, and, have the patience to do the research yourself, or, get mad enough to want to do the research after being rejected, or, quoted an outrageous price for something that takes less time (and money) than you expected. 

I'm a computer nerd and have worked with computers for years (over 23 in fact), and, know more about the technical aspects than many give me credit for.  I also have a love for GM vehicles and the way their computer systems work, which, seems complicated, but, in actuality, it's not really.  My father was an airplane electrical engineer and technician, so, I know how to wire and connect things as long as I find the correct diagram, or, in the OnStar's case, diagrams.

Also, take note that GM only changes their radio connections every 15 years, however, the wiring principal and colors remains the same consistently, as it does with most of the other modules as well. 

The wiring is pretty much the hardest part however.  GM tools make the programming aspect extremely easy as long as everything is connected correctly.

To me, it's not really all guru level, it's just having the patience to study and getting to know what you want and are going for.

Another reason I'm wanting to do the programming myself also is because of that aire of not knowing what's going on once you give your vehicle up to the dealer and, not knowing they're going to set things up the way you want them set up or not, like, for example: The MyLink radio I have is already set up for Chevrolet. For most GM radios, you actually do not have to input the new VIN.  The Tech2 and SPS will warn you that this leaves the device unsecure, however, I want to for the reason that, if anything should happen to my nox, (GOD forbid after all this work) I want to be able to easily possibly transfer it to another.  Also, the dealer mentioned to me that the internal amps might be disabled, and, I want to make sure they are enabled anyway.  The key reason I added a Monsoon amplifier in the first place was to increase phone call loudness and clarity over the currently installed radio, and, I did not know this, but, Monsoon amplifiers are actually known for their award winning clarity.  If a tech hears sound because of that amp added on, they may not turn on the internal amplifiers if they are disabled.  By the way, almost all MyLink radios have internal amplifiers, they are just disabled on vehicles that have Bose or Pioneer amplifiers installed.

Oh, and a quick tip to anyone wanting to upgrade their rearview mirror to the one with a compass and thermometer: Wire the thermometer wires (green/black and grey) to a separate ambient temp sensor if you already have one on the vehicle, or, the outside temperature will be split between the 2 thermometers.  This is not good for automatic climate control operation because it uses the outside temp as a reference for vent, temp, and fan adjustment.

Anyway, I get my MDI hopefully next week.  I'll take pictures of everything I can when it gets to the programming

Thank you again,

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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2017, 10:26:41 AM »

Something kind of funny....

                    The years 2006 and 2007 were change over years for all GM vehicles from either Class 2 to GMLAN 2.0, or, GMLAN 1.0 to 2.0, and, the introduction of several new features because of that.  Here's the funny part: Nearly every GM vehicle made during those years were technically guinea pigs for add-ons, and, therefore, missing RPO codes for a ton of dealer install options, like, for example, remote start.  Most of the dealer service centers today do not know this and will tell you that some things cannot be done, when, in fact, they can, but, they do not want to look beyond what's listed on their screen. A lot of firmware was installed by default on nearly every BCM on these vehicles for nearly every option.  In other words, at the factory, as a test, GM dumped the entire book of codes into these modules.  Not sure if they were testing for memory limits or what, but, nearly everything is there awaiting activation basically. It wasn't until 2010 that GM started to remove features, codes and firmware from the BCMs to force you to go to a dealer to have them programmed in. 

I discovered this mysterious fact when doing research on the web for activating features, and found a lot of people that owned GM vehicles from those years reporting that their vehicles had programmable features that they did not have RPO codes for, like both Remote Start, OnStar, and several others.

So, I guess I'm lucky to get a 2007 and have the knowledge to do this.  Now, I know both an ECM and BCM firmware upgrade are available for my vehicle as well, I just hope that they don't delete, or severely change any features.  I may not do the upgrades, but, we'll see.  The ECM upgrade I might do due to the annoying transaxle fluid temperature change warning timing.  This is actually an annoying flaw in the programming of all early Theta vehicles in where, prior to updating, the ECM expects the temperature to change too soon in most cases, and, throws a trouble code if it does not causing a false-positive situation. 

Just a note:  If you have one of these vehicles, you get the Check Engine light, you take it to Autozone, and, you get that trouble code, disconnect the positive battery terminal for 15 seconds.  Reconnect and the terminal. If your Check Engine light goes off, wait to see if it comes back on for a few minutes.  If it does not, then, guess what, the fluid temp sensor is fine.  Your ECM just might need that update.

I noticed a lot of owners of early Theta vehicles reporting this issue...

Anyway, there's just a little knowledge update for everybody.

Thank you,

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« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2017, 02:27:16 AM »

Well,

            I did it, and it was quite an adventure.  First of all, I just want to say that this may not be the rout for everyone, but, it can be really cool when it works. Don't let anyone ever tell you that you can't do something.

I'm going to let you all know that if you want to use a MyLink/Intellilink radio to it's fullest extent, you must also have either and add on microphone for voice commands and phone, or, OnStar installed as this radio utilizes it's microphone.

For Remote Start, all you pretty much need is a remote start receiver and extended range antenna, as well as the remotes with the remote start button.

You can purchase an MDI clone online for less than $200 with WiFi from China.  The device will always work the same, and, can be powered by a switching power supply, or, the vehicle's OBD2 plug, so, a power adapter may not always be needed.

And, last, but not least, you'll need a laptop capable of running JAVA as most of the GM applications are JAVA based, including SPS. 

I will have more details and pictures soon.
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« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2017, 04:11:13 AM »

Thanks for the latest update and details.  Excellent work!    thumbs up

Look forward to the complete write up. Cheers
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« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2017, 06:42:59 PM »

Thanks for the latest update and details.  Excellent work!    thumbs up

Look forward to the complete write up. Cheers

Here's a note for you: If anyone mentions that they want to upgrade to a MyLink radio in the future on an older (2007-2009) Equinox or Torrent, advise them to find either a color touch, or Mylink radio from either the junk yard or eBay from a 2013 to 2017 Chevrolet Traverse.

Refer to this post here for more details:

http://www.equinoxforum.net/index.php?topic=25441.0

For OnStar Install, refer to this link here:

http://www.equinoxforum.net/index.php?topic=25466.0

And Activating Remote start:

http://www.equinoxforum.net/index.php?topic=25842.0


I hope this helps some.

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