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« on: March 14, 2013, 05:10:01 PM »

I know this is the Equinox site but I also posted this in the Terrain section.  I assume the Equinox is affected too!  Bang Head

Just got a letter from GM for my 2011 Terrain 4-cl AWD.  They state its a "customer satisfaction program" that effects the 2011 Terrain with a 2.4L engine.  Oh No They want to do a software update for the oil life monitor system.  The software will enhance the way the engine oil is monitored.  They state "in most cases, this update will recommend more frequent oil changes to support engine durability and overall operating costs".  I'm  flaming mad , this sounds like an issue they are hiding behind and how will it support overall operating costs other than cost me more in oil changes.  I think GM should pay for some of these oil changes since Dexos, the recommended product is pricey.

Anyone else think like me?
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« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2013, 05:27:57 PM »

I just got that for a 11 Nox.. I guess they are telling me I went over 40,000 miles with insufficent oil changes..  flaming mad flaming mad flaming mad flaming mad flaming mad
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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2013, 07:02:53 PM »

There is already multiple posts on this.
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« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2013, 06:43:31 AM »

I guess I'm overly - cautious, but I would never base my oil changes on the suggestion of the oil life monitor.  I know it's probably overkill, but in my NOX (although it's a V6 - not the 4) I use Penzoil Platinum Synthetic and *still* change my oil every 3-3.5k miles.
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« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2013, 06:47:41 AM »

I guess I'm overly - cautious, but I would never base my oil changes on the suggestion of the oil life monitor.  I know it's probably overkill, but in my NOX (although it's a V6 - not the 4) I use Penzoil Platinum Synthetic and *still* change my oil every 3-3.5k miles.

Your engine will love you for it - and so does Penzoil ! 
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« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2013, 08:57:51 AM »

I guess I'm overly - cautious, but I would never base my oil changes on the suggestion of the oil life monitor.  I know it's probably overkill, but in my NOX (although it's a V6 - not the 4) I use Penzoil Platinum Synthetic and *still* change my oil every 3-3.5k miles.

Ouch.

THis reminded me of the Trailblazer/envoy.
Members there were changing oil every 3000 miles with Synthetic. So why is that surprissing?  Because an oil change with Filter-- called for 7 quarts of oil.
While I on the other hand- was doing 10,000 to 11,500 mile oil changes on regular Valvoline Dino oil.

So just an example...
say 2 owners drive 21,000 miles in 1 year.

Their vehicle.
21,000/3,000 = 7 oil changes.   7 oil changes* 7 quarts = 49 quarts of oil.

My vehicle
21,000/10,500 = 2 oil change.  2 oil changes*7 quarts = 14 quarts of oil.

Lets say they were buying quart bottles at $7 each

49quarts * $7 a quart= $343 in oil

I bought the inexpensive Valvoline

14 quarts * $3 a quart=$42


they used 35 more quarts of oil.
And many of them were not DIY-- they had Shops do the work. So we know the oil changes were MORE than $343...
I did all my oil change work... so you can see my yearly cost of oil/filter was about $50. (filters at Wal Mart)..

The other issue was-- that many of those folks--- eventually got rid of the vehicle near the 100K mark...
We still have our Trailblazer with 170,000. Runs fine.


Just yesterday I saw my DIC and noted that my Nox has 4200 miles on the current batch of oil.
I believe it said 37% OLM left.

At this rate it will reach 0% at 6500 miles or so.
Im pondering removing this batch of oil at 4500 miles and having a UOA. (also the higher iron) since its still in the wear in phase (5500 on engine).

But im thinking that it will be ok-- later on to go 6500 on PP.
I Mean-- my 2010 Traverse with Valvoline Dino- goes 5000 miles and UOA show its ok.. PP should be good to 6500.
SO Im eager to see results.
I mean-- personnally no need to underuse oil.... and spend $$$

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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2013, 09:38:17 AM »

I also received this recall yesterday.  It does sound a little fishy!!!!
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« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2013, 09:57:18 AM »

Just change your oil every 5K miles and forget about it.  Not that the OLM is junk, I just don't mess with it.  I only drive 8-9K miles a year so I only change my oil once or twice every year.  Plus, it's a good idea to rotate your tires every 5-6K anyway, so I just do that and an oil change together to save a trip.
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« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2013, 09:59:20 AM »

Just change your oil every 5K miles and forget about it.  Not that the OLM is junk, I just don't mess with it.  I only drive 8-9K miles a year so I only change my oil once or twice every year.  Plus, it's a good idea to rotate your tires every 5-6K anyway, so I just do that and an oil change together to save a trip.

I won't get anywhere near 5000 miles after the olm update.  15% in my olm is looking to get me 3400 miles max.
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« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2013, 10:36:08 AM »

I won't get anywhere near 5000 miles after the olm update.  15% in my olm is looking to get me 3400 miles max.

Well, I guess the OLM IS junk now!  If a car can't go 5K on syn or syn/blend oil there is something wrong. 
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« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2013, 10:46:30 AM »

Well, I guess the OLM IS junk now!  If a car can't go 5K on syn or syn/blend oil there is something wrong. 

The better way of putting is the "engine" is junk.  Thus the shorter oci.
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« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2013, 11:57:26 AM »

The better way of putting is the "engine" is junk.  Thus the shorter oci.

Yeah I feel bad for you with the 4 banger.  Glad I got the V6.  Hard to believe a junk engine is possible in 2013...way to go GM.
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« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2013, 11:38:35 AM »

Yeah I feel bad for you with the 4 banger.  Glad I got the V6.  Hard to believe a junk engine is possible in 2013...way to go GM.

Maybe you can enlighten me on how you came to the conclusion that the 2013 4 "Banger" in the 2013 cars is a junk engine.

I'm curious to see your sources for this. Please share.

I have been reading these forums for the last 4 months and have yet to see anyone that has a 2013 junk 4 cyl engine, but maybe I missed it.

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« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2013, 12:09:47 PM »

Yeah I feel bad for you with the 4 banger.  Glad I got the V6.  Hard to believe a junk engine is possible in 2013...way to go GM.

Maybe you can enlighten me on how you came to the conclusion that the 2013 4 "Banger" in the 2013 cars is a junk engine.

I'm curious to see your sources for this. Please share.

I have been reading these forums for the last 4 months and have yet to see anyone that has a 2013 junk 4 cyl engine, but maybe I missed it.

Mike

I was referring to the 2010/2011 engine not the 2013.  I just meant in this current day and age it is unfortunate that there is an engine with chronic problems...sorry for the confusion.
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« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2013, 02:22:07 PM »

Well, I guess the OLM IS junk now!  If a car can't go 5K on syn or syn/blend oil there is something wrong. 

I concur, that is definetely not performance.

Maybe you can enlighten me on how you came to the conclusion that the 2013 4 "Banger" in the 2013 cars is a junk engine.
I'm curious to see your sources for this. Please share.
I have been reading these forums for the last 4 months and have yet to see anyone that has a 2013 junk 4 cyl engine, but maybe I missed it.

Perhaps there's not enough miles put on the MY13's yet  thumbs up lol
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« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2013, 09:03:19 PM »

I brought my 2011 Equinox into the dealer on Feb 15 for an issue with my exhaust system.   Car is under warranty, no charge, no problems.  Got my "no charge" invoice and went home.  When I took a closer look at the invoice I noticed a line at the bottom "Service update 12312 Recall, Reprogram ECM".  I had no clue what it was as no one mentioned anything to me at the garage.  I looked it up on the web and found out about the oil life recall.  I got the recall letter a few weeks later.  I'm ok with more frequent oil changes.  I used to change every 5000 in vehicles before they had oil life monitors.  Now it's closer to 7000.    What concerns me is that a change was made to my car without anyone asking or informing me.  Didn't light me up enough to call the dealer immediatly but I will mention it next time I'm there.  Obviosly not a big secret as I did get a recall letter but I'd think informing customers about service is rule number 1.  Just kinda makes you wonder.
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« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2013, 07:42:00 AM »

Good points, rbarrios.  Your points are exactly the reason that I've switched from synthetic oil to Kendall GT-1 Semi Synthetic.  I had my 2002 Olds Bravada, which has the very excellent 4.2 I6, on a steady diet of Mobil 1 from the time I bought it new until 100k miles then switched to the semi syn. due to costs.  I was changing myself until about 75K mile then got tired of crawling around on my cold garage floor, disposing of the oil, etc.  Having the local independent garage do the Mobil 1 change with 7 qts and filter ran me close to $100.  Well, I got tired of that and switched to the semi syn for $19.95. 

My Bravada now has 151,000 mile and it runs as well as the day I drove it new off the lot.  I've always done the 6,000 mile or 6 month interval and it's worked out great.  Now doing the 5,000 mile interval on the wife's 2012 Terrain with the 2.4 (with the dexos1 AC Delco semi syn at dealer) rather than relying on the OLM; will still get the reset, however, just to stay up to date on reacalls.
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« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2013, 02:04:09 PM »

Our 2010 2.4L is getting close to 60K now and we've never used the oil life monitor for oil change intervals. Went by the maximum 4-6 month or 4000Km-6000Km rule and it started out life with dino oil and after that and still now gets Dexos.

We've had zero problems other than at the very beginning when the HP fuel pump got changed under warranty. Other than that it's been great.
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« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2013, 07:34:04 PM »

My dino oil cars get changed every 3k-3.5k.  My synthetic car (Equniox) I'm changing every 5k - 6k (or if the OLM indicates a change is needed).  Maybe I'm changing the synthetic a little sooner than the OLM wants me to, but since I do my own changes, the extra cost isn't going to amount to much of anything over the life of the vehicle.

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« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2013, 07:57:29 AM »

This recall is for good reason; I wouldn’t go more than 5000 miles without changing the oil anyways.  I think most people get concerned when they hear the word “recall” as we do, but I’ve been through a lot with this vehicle, more than other vehicles I’ve owned in the past, but I have to say GM has taken care of the problems we’ve had in a timely manner. Also, my wife and I really enjoy the NOX and feel it is a well built SUV, even with the recalls.  I do have a 6 year 75,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty that I purchased through my credit union at the time of purchase, so I plan on having it for that period of time only. “Happy motoring”
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« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2013, 07:18:14 PM »

The oil life monitor takes into account your driving habits, so if your heavy footed you will probably end up with more oil changes.  I could go about 7000 in my 2012 Malibu when the sensor was telling me I was around 15% or so.  I never waited until it told me to change it though.  I was a 3 month 3000 mile person until I bought the Malibu Last year.

We put about 21,000 miles on it in that year and we won the lemon law for the car and got an Equinox for the replacement.  We are a 1000 x's happier now!!!
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« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2013, 06:13:41 PM »

I was just curious, what percentage on the olm does it tell u that you should change your oil?
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« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2013, 07:14:35 PM »

I guess I'm overly - cautious, but I would never base my oil changes on the suggestion of the oil life monitor.  I know it's probably overkill, but in my NOX (although it's a V6 - not the 4) I use Penzoil Platinum Synthetic and *still* change my oil every 3-3.5k miles.

I'm with you on good synthetic.... and I will also say since I had the update done, the OLM seems to read a little more "normal"!  My truck is 2 months old, and I've already put over 6200 miles (10,000 kms) on it.  I did an oil change within the first month, right after the OLM update.  I've put a month's worth of driving on it and it's now reading 82%, which seems a little more normal.  Keep in mind with synthetic you can stretch it to 5000-6000 miles before an oil change... especially if you do a tonne of highway like I do.
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« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2013, 10:34:31 AM »

I was referring to the 2010/2011 engine not the 2013.  I just meant in this current day and age it is unfortunate that there is an engine with chronic problems...sorry for the confusion.

Well I guess I'll have to consider my 2010, 2.4L with 60,000 on it and zero issues "junk" now.  Sad
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« Reply #24 on: April 24, 2013, 10:39:09 AM »

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Well I guess I'll have to consider my 2010, 2.4L with 60,000 on it and zero issues "junk" now.

Yes, I agree with you.
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« Reply #25 on: April 24, 2013, 05:38:44 PM »

It is not a "Recall" it is a service campaign. If you drive highway miles it will still go a long way over 5k mi. If you drive 5 miles to the store with your pedal to the floor it won't. It obviously was set way to high to begin with and takes your driving habits into it to calculate your change intervals. Do you want you car to last or do you want engine trouble? It is a 4cyl moving a heavy car and obviously needs proper care and oil changes. Live with it or sell it. Bang Head
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« Reply #26 on: April 24, 2013, 07:34:26 PM »

If you drive highway miles it will still go a long way over 5k mi.

Looks like I am on a trajectory to get 8,000 miles before my OLM hits zero - but I am about 95% highway.  I will probably still change the oil at 5K - just because !
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« Reply #27 on: April 25, 2013, 06:00:33 AM »

Last time Inlooked at the calinder , under the hood and at the fuel pump. It was 2013, the engine fuel injected, computer controlled and the fuel unleaded.
    Why pray tell are people still stuck in the 1960's, 70's and mid 80's with carburators and leaded fuel type of thinking?
      There is no longer any appreciable  unburned fuel, partly burned  fuel, nitric acid, sulphuric acid or lead deposites contaminating the engine oil.
    Changing oil at 3000 miles  just means you have time and $$$ to waste.
     The timing chain problem occurs with drivers who just dash reset the oil change reminder and keep on driving  until the check engine light illuminates.
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Last time Inlooked at the calinder , under the hood and at the fuel pump. It was 2013, the engine fuel injected, computer controlled and the fuel unleaded.
    Why pray tell are people still stuck in the 1960's, 70's and mid 80's with carburators and leaded fuel type of thinking?
      There is no longer any appreciable  unburned fuel, partly burned  fuel, nitric acid, sulphuric acid or lead deposites contaminating the engine oil.
    Changing oil at 3000 miles  just means you have time and $$$ to waste.
     The timing chain problem occurs with drivers who just dash reset the oil change reminder and keep on driving  until the check engine light illuminates.

I would think (based on what I read) that most of us agree with this to some degree or another. With that being said here's my concern with my 2012 3.0 ltr V6. With they way we drive our Terrain we will log almost 10,000 miles before the OLM gets to 0%. Now I also own a 2013 1500 with the 5.3 ltr and it's OLM runs out just over 6000 miles. Things to ponder here, the 3.0 turns more RPM's than the 5.3, Even though I run Mobil 1 in everything I own doesn't mean it can run for ever. The big concern is what appears to be an increase in gasoline in the oil with the DI motors and that depending on the concentrations can be a game changer when it comes to integrity & useable life of the oil. So far, we're trying to have the oil changed on the Terrain around 7000 to 7500 miles. It still has plenty of life as far as the OLM and that's the recommended time to rotate tires so I can get it all done at the same time. I would not be surprised to see GM recalibrate the OLM's in the 3.0 motors in the future.
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DI engines will 'wear' out oil a bit faster than non DI engines.

DI engines also use the oil to cool the botton of the pistons- as the oil is squirted on the pistons.
DI engines also use the oil as a hydraulic fluid to run some of the valves etc.

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The same oil will go 5500 in my 07 Impala (4 quarts).

DI engines simply beat the snot out of oils. Synthetics included.
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« Reply #30 on: April 25, 2013, 09:19:00 AM »

DI engines will 'wear' out oil a bit faster than non DI engines.

DI engines also use the oil to cool the botton of the pistons- as the oil is squirted on the pistons.
DI engines also use the oil as a hydraulic fluid to run some of the valves etc.

Regular Valvoline 5W-30 oil that can go 11,500 miles between oil changes on my 6 cylinder Trailblazer (7 quarts)...
will only safely go- 5000-6000 miles on my 6 cyl  DI engine Traverse (6 quarts). (this based on Used oil analysis).
The same oil will go 5500 in my 07 Impala (4 quarts).

DI engines simply beat the snot out of oils. Synthetics included.

I have no idea why the cleaner burning DI engine  with roller lifters would wear or contaminate lube oil more than a port injected engine.  The cam variable cam timing uses a simple rotary actuator.  Spray cooled pistons have been around since the early days or aviation and heavy equipment. This is the 1st time I've ever heard that piston spray cooling wears out or contaminate engine oil.
    If you want an engine that  wears the oil. How about something like a Grand National with flat tappet lifters to shear the oil and require extreme pressure protection.  A turbo which cokes the oil with heat. And very high combustion chamber pressure under boost which increases blow by. 296,000 miles on the engine with oil changes at 10,000 miles. She still runs pretty good too.
     Problem is the oil change reset needs to be moved under the hood and hidden in some greasy  location.
   
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« Reply #31 on: April 25, 2013, 12:54:28 PM »

DI engines have been described as having characteristics of light duty diesel engines.
DI engines are also high compression.
Also read about blow by.


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« Reply #32 on: April 25, 2013, 04:02:06 PM »

DI engines have been described as having characteristics of light duty diesel engines.
DI engines are also high compression.
Also read about blow by.

Because GDFI injects gasoline directly into the cylinders, the valves aren’t cleaned by incoming fuel. Most of this carbon formation is caused by oil mist exiting from the positive crankcase ventilation (PCV) system and exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) entering into the intake manifold. Last, the mechanical high-pressure fuel pumps appear to be an early failure point on current production vehicles. As with any high-pressure fuel injection system, remember that the supply pump system must also function correctly before the mechanical pump can be tested.   

All parts professionals must also be aware that many manufacturers might require a complete fuel rail replacement when a single fuel injector is replaced. Because the fuel rails must safely contain at least 2,000 psi of fuel pressure, the rails and other specified parts must be replaced for safety reasons. As with any new technology, a professional-level service information system is vital for the successful diagnosis of the original problem and the completion of a successful repair.

Gary Goms is a former educator and shop owner who remains active in the aftermarket service industry.  Gary is an ASE-certified Master Automobile Technician (CMAT) and has earned the L1 advanced engine performance certification. He is also a graduate of Colorado State University and belongs to the Automotive Service Association (ASA) and the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE).

I don't see any mention of engine oil concerns. Problems are gummed up intake ports and valves from PCV and EGR .
Of course  2007 diesel oil has more additives than gasser engine oil.
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« Reply #33 on: May 04, 2013, 09:45:43 AM »

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